Questions proposed by a friend:
It is TIME for Propostitions.
ALL TIME BELONGS TO GOD.
The Accounting of TIME is given to man by GOD.
TIME has a beginning. Gen 1:1; John 1:1-3
GOD determines the time of beginning and the time of the end.
His revelation in the Bible tells man what happens between the beginning and the end.
Events observed by man are sequential according the GOD's order of time.
Efforts by man to predict future events must agree with GOD's sequence order to be true.
AFFIRM or DENY? These statements are a base of discussion about time which has been presented to me as ending in Rev 10:6. I suggest we talk more about this as the time is near in that we know neither when our personal end will be nor do we know when the end of the world will occur.
Answers I chose:
Time measured by God is not measurable by man,but time which God created for man by man's interaction in evil is measurable by man, therefore, there must be a unit by which we are able to measure time. This measure of time used to be taught in school,however most have either forgotten or were never taught the principal of calculation of time. Simply put the point of the birth of a seed,that is when it first springs forth a shoot or sprig is considered it's beginning to the point when life or growth is stopped is considered it's death,the intervale between the life and the end thereof is called "TIME". This is measurable by man but that which is in God's hand is not measurable by man as God created all things "mature" in the beginning including mankind.
ll PETER 3:3-9
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. NOTE: This is God's time which he has allowed men to know 1 day=1000 years. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. Herein men make their mistake,the first was to change the word of God which was given to all mankind and there has only been one to fit that description and that being the KJV,and now every interpretation man can muster is flooded the market place. The second is the difference in how we interpret the scripture if we take it literal then we take God at his basic WORD, if we take it symbolic then it is man's word about who and what God is or means according to that which we are taught or secured by men,this is the message of JUDE.
JUDE 10-13:
But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever. God gave a warning unto men about his WORD.
GALATIANS 1:6-12
I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. Again put simply, take the original Greek and Hebrew text and interpret into english,and you obtain the words written in the KJV,however,because men could not interpret the words that used to be taught in school such as "thee,thou,thine",and others then men shun the scripture and make it more attainable by the world at large. Christ gave a warning of this type of interpretation as,"To the world it is not given but to you (disciples) it is given" and then HE had to explain the script which HE spake unto them for they had not yet received of the HOLY SPIRIT. If the world doesn't understand or "get" the word of God we are not to simplify it unto them for they must need to be born again,so the message they need is the basic of how Christ can save them from themselves and hell,which again is not being administered except in certain arenas. When the sinner states, Who can understand the Bible, he tells you a truth but what he is really stating is his inability to understand is his desire not to be saved at that moment or laziness to read and ask of God for understanding. God is a jealous God, HE does not desire that man teach you (or make you understand man's interpretation) the things to which HE embodens the HOLY SPIRIT to perform. Most whom do not seek understanding,first,do an improper thing which is to deny the person of the HOLY SPIRIT indwelling the believer and without such they wrestle and twist the scripture to their own demise. Ask a man if he is indwelled with the person of the HOLY GHOST not just the words he/she has memorized from the Bible and most of the time they will try to evade the question or re-interpret what is meant by the statement. God has not given the WORD unto the world but has given HIM unto those to whom HE has chosen to both understand and salvation. Men have alway tried to reinterpret God's word to fit their own image thus trying to become their own god much like that of Korah whom withstood Moses and stated that all God's children were able to speak for God which is of course the whole of the message found in JUDE 11:
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. Note the progression first they had gone,then they ran and lastly they perished. The way of Cain was not the Blood of Christ but any sacrifice he could garner in a moments notice which is the same story as the ten virgins mentioned in Matthew 25:
Matthew 25:1-11 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
These all had all things in common except for the oil,they had no oil and are called foolish.They all went out for the bridegroom and performed all that was required but at the test they wanted to share of the oil but the wise said "no" knowing that the HOLY GHOST may not be sold as did PETER state unto Simon:
ACTS 8:13-24
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost. And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me. NOTE: Simon both believed and was baptized according to the word above,but he sought to buy a gift which is what it is, a gift. Herein will be the reinterpretations to that which is made plain.
Second: They ran,by greed,for the reward of the offer made by Balaam which is that under practice now in AMERICA we need the illegals to work in the US as we do not have enough manpower and why do we not have enough manpower? "THEY SHOOT HORSES, DON'T THEY?" to coin a movie title instead of the 13 to 20 million the government tries to insist are in AMERICA illegal,there could be upwards of FORTY FOUR MILLION workers to which their parents have put to death - the abortionists - brought to you through education of the masses, oops, that's what Balaam was doing (and making tons of money).
Thirdly: They perished in the gainsaying of Core, that is to say "no one can tell me what to believe, I know God and what he doth require" after all are we not all God's children and being all God's children are we not under a blanket salvation? Now look at the illegals (and they can be any nationality) and consider the spiritual ramifications of such - confusion of the masses, different backgrounds, religions, parenting etc..., and enter KORAH.
From my Friend:Span writes nonsense. ie. "Time measured by God is not measurable by man,but time which God created for man by man's interaction in evil is measurable by man, therefore, there must be a unit by which we are able to measure time."
"IN THE BEGINNING" is an statement of time. BEGINNING is a word that denotes the start of time. GOD CREATED
is a statement of action done by the Almighty in the first moment of time. On the sixth day God made man. SIXTH DAY is an element of time measure. The heaven and earth are five days older than mankind. Any other idea of time starting in relation to evil is simply the imagination of a person who has a case to prove without the support of the Word of God.
Case in point is the next blunder: "NOTE: This is God's time which he has allowed men to know 1 day=1000 years. "
The Scripture Peter writes says, "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. " This is a far cry from 1 day equals 1000 years. Peter is countering the scoffers who deny the coming of the LORD because long time has passed without His coming. His reply simply states that the LORD (1) is not bound by the accounting of time by man and (2) is patient (long suffering) with the hope that more will repent and not perish. The little word "as" has the meaning of comparison in form of analogy called a simile.
With the Lord one day is "as" 1000 years which means that HE is not concerned with how long time passes HIS promises are sure and will occur in his determined time. It is nonsense to try to say a day is 1000 years and 1000 years is a day in terms of man's accounting of time. The simple ommission of "as" in the interpretation is a stumbling stone for Shep.
Warnings are very strong against leaving out words from Scripture.
More can be said about the poor reading and mishandling of the word of God, but this will suffice to show the fallacy of so called self styled "Literal" interpretation. Get serious about the Lord Jesus and accept his promise that believers will be raised at the last day. Not 1007 years before that day. John 6:39-44, 54
Span replied:
Thou dost protest too much and I do preceive the "gall of bitterness is with thee, me neighbour, consider if you will the words of JAMES as he relates what or how time is to be measured - after one's own heart.
JAMES 1:13-16
13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. 15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. 16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
TIME IS THE INTERVAL WHICH IS TO BE MEASURED FROM WHEN A SEED IS BORN TO THE POINT OF WHICH IT DIES THE SPACE IN BETWEEN IS CALLED "TIME", TIME CANNOT OCCUR WITHOUT SIN AND WITHOUT DEATH,THERE WAS NO DEATH IN THE GARDEN THEREFORE THERE WAS NO TIME,EXCEPT THAT WHICH GOD REVEALED OF HIS CREATION WHICH HE STATED WAS "GOOD" AND WITHOUT SIN AND WHEN SIN DID OCCUR IT WAS IMMEDIATE IN REMOVAL FROM THE GARDEN. THUS THERE WAS NO GENEOLOGY GIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE FALL OF ADAM,NOR WERE HIS NOR EVE'S AGE REVEALED AS THEY DID NOT AGE IN THE GARDEN,THIS IS WHY THEY HAD TO BE "CREATED" FULLY GROWN AND THE EARTH "CREATED" FULLY "OLD" IN THE BEGINNING AND GUESS WHAT NO DINO'S HAD TO DIE TO PRODUCE THE OIL AS IT WAS "CREATED" IN THE BEGINNING BY GOD HIMSELF - SEE:
ll PETER 3:11
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
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