THE RAPTURE - A Work in Progress

I have been asked of my view of the Rapture of the church and the reason for such a view-so here is my belief according to the Bible and not according to any Theologian.
First, one of the silliest arguments about the Rapture is the word itself-no it is not found in the Bible, it is a word however, which denotes a thought much like that of the Trinity which also is not found in the Bible and that of the quote, "with the evidence of speaking in tongues" or in the end times you won't know or be able to tell one season from another, all of which are not in the scripture as quoted but are understood as to what they infer or mean, such is the same as the word Rapture.
If you want the Hebrew or Greek interpretation go to another site I do not do that which I am not qualified in, however, if you want their interpretation read your Bible. What then is/are the controversial verses?
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore
comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:17-18
The problem that exists between the churches and their differing views is not this verse but where this verse is applied in TIME. If we were to take all the views written throughout history and by all theologians they would all be inaccurate to some degree due to knowledge which seems to have eluded most of the Modern-day views
as they wish to re-visit the old views to reinsert them into todays knowledge either to prove or disapprove for their purposes, but this is not necessary as the Bible is very clear on the subject at hand.
And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many whall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. Daniel 12:9-10
Only at the time of the end will many understand not in all the hundreds of years preceding the time of the end. And what of those that will be made white where are they? A postnote of sort one thing I have learned from a friend of mine in study, you may show all the evidence of the Bible and what it has to offer however, when push comes to shove, they will revert to exclaiming that what is told and understood is symbolic and only their church can understand the symbolism as they have some type of internal mystical or magical comprehension to understanding symbolism-these are they which believe that truth is realitive to them instead of "absolute truth" which is commanded in scripture. To one man an apple is an apple to another it may be an orange according to his symbolic "realative understanding".
THOSE IN WHITE-THE TRIBULATION SAINTS
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Revelation 6:9-11
Where is the CHURCH or is this the CHURCH?
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Revelation 5:9-10
Note that these are the redeemed by the blood of the lamb or Jesus Christ unto God, these are out of every kindred(families), tongue(different languages), people(varied races or nationalities), and nation(from across the planet earth). These are all singular in conotation or phrase as we are all one in Jesus Christ and made one in HIM. These also have a location called heaven and the search is made for one to open the "SEALS" which have not been opened as yet and Tribulation has not yet begun on the earth as the "seals" which start tribulation have not been opened. The church:
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Revelation 3:10

MSN - A Blog

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http://www.scionofzion.com/toc.htm: This website lists all the or most of the reasons not to believe in the Rapture of the church, with the exception of the Bible itself, it seeks to take historical theological views and blunders and assert them as though it or they were biblical fact. A recommended read for those who oppose rapture and a visit for those who do support rapture may cause reflection to the other side of the view. Oddly, this site doesn't seem to want dialogue as no place was found for commentary or discussion, if questions are not encouraged or engaged, one can only assume it is a one-sided dialogue and the writer's intent to insert no value except their own and truth is made evasive-as iron sharpens iron and when the presence of dialogue is absent then the edge becomes rusty and of no effect.

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A Name above all names - LORD

All titles,capital lettering,peroids,commas etc.., are extremely important if we are to understand that which God is trying to communicate unto us as Christians,consider the prayer that Jesus prayed in the garden unto the Father before the cross.
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. / Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour. Father, glorify thy name, Then came a voice from heaven, saying, I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again. The people therefore, that stood by, and heard it, said that it thundered: others said, An angel spake to him. Jesus answered and said, This voice came not because of me, but for your sakes. Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out. John:17:4-5;12:27-31
God speaking from heaven stated "I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again"
this pretaining to the advent of the cross, the "have" glorified name was that name which Christ had with the Father before coming to the earth - and the "will" glorify it is a time after the cross, the time between "have and will" is the time of Jesus
humanity which he had to have to die on the cross, so you might have something like
have-cross/death-will. Now that Christ has gone to the cross and died for our sins there should be a place where we can see the glorified name of Christ wouldn't we? And there is in John 20:13,18,20,25,28, in which the name of Jesus is now referred to
as: LORD.
And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him. - And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. (John 20:13&28 see also:18,20,25)
Now why is this important? First it relates which word of God is the one we should study as other versions do not have the capitalization of the LORD. Second it identifies the name of the LORD that Israel is looking toward and found in the old testament to which Jesus alluded to in Matthew 23:38-39 -
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.
And that of the prophecy of John the Baptist which exclaimed:
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. Matthew 3:11-12
For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. Isaiah 66:15-16
Thus saith the LORD GOD; Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; Therefore thus saith the LORD GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them. Ezekiel 25:15-17 (verse
17 was used in the movie PULP FICTION a note for Matthew 11:16-17)

Evolution & The Two At(da)oms

The concept of the Big Bang violates one of the most important scientific principles and logic known to man and that is word definition. To begin, one must understand the meaning of the word "nothing" or sometime interpreted by other factions as "Nirvana" as in , we shall ascend into the great Nirvana, which is to state we shall ascend into nothingness - however - this too is a violation of terminology. If there is a true nothing and we were to assimilate into it then it would become something as we would be in it, this is the problem with the big bang as it supposes that "from" nothing came two atoms which attracted one to another creating internal combustions and scattering matter across the known universe. This is a contradiction in terms and confusion of terms (which some declare as only semantics) as if something were a "true" nothing then there would be only void which is what the Serpent uses to confuse the people. For example God spoke all things into existence and Satan took that void that then was and created a religion out of it, and make no mistake it is a religion as it is taught in public schools to which the government so-called has stated no religion (meaning Christianity) can be taught in school. He then, that is Satan, took another part of the Word of God and implemented the next concept which was the two atoms came out of nothing, except he changed the spelling of the word "atom" from "adam" and even though he has half truths it is still enough to convince scientists who have adapted this into so-called science as the Bible calls it (1Timothy 6:20). These half-truths are the same manner in which Satan deceived Eve in Genesis 3 when he state she would not die he spoke spiritually but Eve heard physically and in Genesis 5:2 is the twist he used:
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. - Genesis 5:2
There were two called Adam this was the twist that Satan used to convince the world and if this seems ludicruis research the goose that layed the golden egg and the person of Guatamala Siddartha, the beginning of the concept of Buddah, even Eve was convinced of the twist as is recorded in Genesis 4:1
And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Genesis 4:1
Eve thought that the person of Cain came from the glorified Jesus Christ, while all birth is granted under God this child was bent away from God as attested in Genesis 4:9-16.

Figurative/Symbolic Truth and Judgment

Above all else you can not have something called symbolic-figurative alongside the word Truth as this would be illogical ( says Spock). If symbollism and figurative language are used then would truth as defined would become realitive to the person, group, or background interpretation and would render any form of judgment obselete, one could not judge that which cannot be defined in a real meaning. If, there is however, factual data or literal Truth then judgment can be committed as that same truth can never change that is why when Moses ask of God when going into Egypt to set at freedom his brethren the Jewish people he stated, Whom shall I say sent me for they will not beleive me. God's reply was, You shall say, I AM that I AM, has sent you. The reason God used this language is to show in the most literal of ways that HE -God is the I AM the God who changes not, HE is alway the present God, the God of the past, present, future and beside whom at any given moment there is not another HE is I AM, the God of now. To insert anything but literal Truth is an attempt to make both God and his Son symbolic in tone and actions, and try to prevent any form of judgment, but HE states HE changes not. HE is God of Abraham, Issac, David, Daniel, Malachi, etc..., all whom lived at different intervals of time but all of which worshipped the one true God. If God could not reach unto this generation with His incorruptible Word then would the cross be of none effect for Jesus has declared His Word shall not change, not one jot nor tittle (which is a period and comma used in scripture which used to be taught in school as the same language-jot & tittle) until HE come, as a matter of fact (literal) HE states heaven and earth shall pass away but HIS WORD shall never change nor pass away. The Word of God is a contract between God and Man that changes not-eternally given- which is simialiar to but not removable as the United States Constitution which has undergone change to the point of void. The Constitution states that no Foreign Country may purchase lands or bases on US soil and the right to private ownership may not be infringed by any of our public governments barring the term Imminent Domain from ever taken force or impact upon the citizen even with the voted in electorate they too may not violate the law of the Constitution not for progress so-defined by figurative men. It is understood if the government needs to build a highway they can go around, offer a price, or draw up new designs to not infringe upon it's citizenry, this also applies to foreign owned institutions such as the Federal Reserve Bank which is neither Federal nor a US owned Bank but a symbolic institution by foreign invaders. Now, does any of this matter? Not with man as he will accept any form of government be it repressive or not, as long as he has a wallet with monies in it, so the price of freedom becomes negotible, this is also known as a Biblical fact which would call such a person "a
whore" which is what the last generation is known as before the Tribulation Period. Babylon, is known as the Great Whore which goes a whoring after all the nations of the world with clothing, monies, wine and drinks, prostitution-female and male, child sacrilege and not only by abortion but by a literal sacrifice, with further definitions given in Revelation 17 and 18. She, the whore that rides upon the Beast (see Euro) is called MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.-verse 5, Revelation 17. Notice that God used all capitalized lettering to show she sets herself above all others and people have become unimportant unto her as her great city is all she recognizes, this too was the view of Rome as they declared there was no city like unto Rome, isn't it amazing that God knew the name of Rome but decided to use the term Babylon so that we would not mistake her for another time nor city-she is yet to be and already in construction-she is a system of Anti-God and Anti-Christ, lifting herself unto heaven trying to replace the MOST HIGH. Those who speak in figurative language have assigned her to the then Rome when Christ walked upon the earth and make huge mistakes and not recalling to mind those things that are written that we may know, "the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." the language is past tense to a place where our Saviour was crucified and this same place "will be" the place where the two witness's shall be both killed and resurrected into heaven pronouncing this same city has three and half more years of God's wrath to endure for it is the time of "Jacob's Trouble" when he shall be saved out of it (see-Revelation 11:8), but to those whom are pershing it matters not they have but one chance and that is to totally annhilate all the Jews and Christians as to overthrow God's promises in HIS WORD.

WHY THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO KNOW - the Leaders in High Places

Because SATAN wants you to go to HELL. A word to the wise -Most churches that use symbolic/figurative language do not use God's Word in explaining their views but are busy attacking those who interpret the scripture literally and condemning them in harsh language and terms and not holding fast to that which Christ stated-Those that are for us are not against us-instead of building up both the members at large they have become self destined and condemning others who are not - it is a shame.

Figurative, Symbolic, Literal, in TRUTH - does it matter?

Different church's generate different language views and interpret scripture accordingly.
Figurative: Comparing two things by using one kind of object or using in place of another to suggest the likeness between them. ex.- I'm drowning in money -Metaphor -also called or referred to as a figure of speech.
Symbolic: Practice of representing things by means of symbols or of attributing symbolic meanings or significance to objects, events, or relationships.
The movement, theory, or practice of the late 19th century symbolists, ie. Abstract art.
Revelation or suggestion of intangible conditions or truths by artistic invention - mostly
embraced by the professional crowd such as teachers, professors, theologians etc....
An object associated with and serving to identify something else in substitute, such as
margarine is to butter or saccharin is for sugar - to some and after awhile you think you are
getting the "real" thing but for the most you are attaining an unworthy substitute whose
value either real or implied is accepted as the real to the point that the youger adults use the
word margarine synomously with butter.
Literal: is found under truth whose definition has become blurred in the dictionaries as that of:
conformity to fact or actually - A statement proven to be or accepted as true - Sincerity;
integrity ex. Hell is in America - The town, Hell, is located 60 miles west of Detroit, MI.
The sentence "The spirit is strong, but the flesh is weak," was translated into Russian and then
back to English, result was "The vodka is good, but the meat is rotten."
You must decide then what is acceptable as you explore which of these views is more accurate and true in form, if for example you choose the Figurative-Symbolic loop then language in and of itself becomes obscure as any one person according to his/her background/education, enviroment places different meaning to each word being used. For example, Miss America is
judged for her outward or external apperance instead of her thoughts, actions, and apperance
as exhibited by past contestants embarrasment to the pageant. Some have stated that even
a broken watch is correct twice a day, but that depends on whether you are in military time or
civilian (enviroment). The translation of the Russian to English above is also wrong as each word to be translated accurately must be word per word or else why have translators as they will but deliver bad info perhaps to the point of war. Figurative-Symbolic is the language that the Serpent used on Eve, ever so gently twisting the truth, no lie can proceed without some truth.
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: Genesis 3:4 The serpent was subtil and Eve thought he was speaking phisically, but the serpent was speaking spiritually, indeed she would live forever somewhere, but not on earth, so the serpent used a truth in a lie form and deceived Eve. The same holds true for the fruit which Eve partake of, it was not an
apple or any physical fruit but was spiritual in nature as: greed, envy, malice, lust, adultry, etc.
identified literally in Galatians 5:16-24, however, many have used these type of scriptural references to affirm symbolisim, but God and Jesus Christ affirmed in every instance where language was used as a descriptive form instead of an actual event thereby eliminating any guess work on our part. If you chose, however, to use symbolic-figurative language in interpretation of the scripture then you could go to any church, USA/worldwide, and they would be correct for you as their interpretation is as good as the next man be he Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc.... . If, however, you choose the literal interpretation you must depend on a "key" to interpret God's WORD because the Gospel is hid from the world and those whom are perishing because when they knew the truth they accepted it not as truth, but became reprobate in their own minds and worship four-footed creatures and flying things - enter the monkey. If evolutionist's were true to their own belief they would oppose with great vigor the abortion of their own species as they would realize the value of even the lowly amoeba, if the woman was true to her own belief she would want to know 100% truth about the aborted "fetus" and why she has been delivered to this point and what her future state would become, there is no sin unforgivable save going to the grave without Jesus Christ as your Saviour, but if she knew what they were doing she would never commit to an abortion. nuff said. If you do research under the word Literal/Truth you will find vagueness as the world will not accept any terms as literal or truth today but all things are relative, but as every one knows shooting rubberbands or bb guns are always fun until someone gets their eye put out (bad postal humour). Truth will become relative when oxygen levels reduce and the oceans, seas, and waterways are dried up in the tribulation period and symbolism becomes dead, when mankind ( and woman) are brought to the valley of descision also known as the Time of Jacob's Trouble/Armaggedon then they will know that the God of Heaven is still God and man is not.
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and
his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the
wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation
and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in
the prescence of the lamb. Revelation 14:9-10